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International Migrant Group Chief: "We Are In Crisis Mode"

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WASHINGTON — The head of the International Organization for Migration (IOM) painted a dire picture on Friday of current efforts to address the migrant crisis in Europe and resettle Syrian refugees in the United States and other countries.

In a recorded video message that opened a small conference on the state of international migration, IOM Director William Lacy Swing noted a shift in attitude towards migrants following the terrorist attacks in Paris last month.

"We are in crisis mode certainly today, especially because attitudes are hardening across the world against migrants, it's even more so now since this heinous attack in Paris," Swing said.

"I’ve often described our time as a perfect storm, because we have more people on the move than ever before, because of demographics, disasters and other moving forces," Swing continued. "Now what makes the perfect storm is the unprecedented hostility towards migrants and foreigners in general."

While not mentioning any U.S. presidential candidate by name, Swing alluded to comments on Syrian refugees from Republican front-runner Donald Trump as an example of anti-refugee sentiment permeating the current discussion on international aid efforts.

“To read the invective against these victims of war and violence, it’s coming not only from the United States but across the world, it really makes me worry about where the world is going, and where humanity itself is headed," Swing said. "We see internet posts linking these to a secret trojan horse-type plot to sneak into Europe and North America and launch attacks."

Swing also referenced remarks made by Sen. Marco Rubio, who following the Paris attack said of taking in Syrian refugees, "It’s not that we don’t want to, it’s that we can’t.”

"We’re told, in effect, that they mean only to punish our generosity with violence, so we’d be wise to slam the door shut. Or as one of our presidential hopefuls recently put it, ‘we want to, but we just can’t.' This is despite the fact, that there remains absolutely zero evidence that there is any such plot being planned, or becoming operational. It’s becoming convenient for many to use the fear of terrorism simply as an excuse for doing nothing, or as a pretext to keep the refugees where they are," Swing said.

“All of this has to dishearten all of us.”

The discovery of a forged passport at the scene of one of the Paris attacks raised fears that militants could smuggle themselves in among refugees — though most of the attackers were French nationals and some European officials have suggested the passport may have been planted.


Lindsey Graham: Trump Leading Because 40% Of GOP Voters Think Obama Is Kenyan Muslim

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“I can promise you that Hillary Clinton will clean his clock,” Graham added.

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South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham said his presidential opponent Donald Trump is leading in the polls because nearly half of Republican primary voters hate Obama and think he is a Kenyan-born Muslim.

"Well there's about 40% of the Republican primary voter who believes that Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim," Graham said on Boston Herald Radio on Friday. "There's just a dislike for President Obama that is visceral. It's almost irrational."

"I could promise you this, he's not gonna win 270 electoral votes," Graham said, citing Trump's inability to grow the vote with the Hispanic community.

"I can promise you that Hillary Clinton will clean his clock," he added.

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Sanders: "I Believe" In Hunting Culture

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“People in my state have been hunting — it’s part of the culture of the state of Vermont, it’s part of the culture of New Hampshire, and I believe in that culture.”

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Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said in a radio interview Friday that he believes in the hunting culture of states like Vermont, his home state, and New Hampshire, where he is leading Hillary Clinton in primary polls.

"Absolutely, it is," Sanders said when New Hampshire radio host Jack Heath noted that gun ownership was "a pretty coveted" right in Vermont.

"I believe, you know, people in my state have been hunting—it's part of the culture of the state of Vermont, it's part of the culture of New Hampshire, and I believe in that culture," Sanders continued. "But I also will tell you that most gun owners understand that guns should not be held by people who are criminals or by people who have serious mental issues."

In the interview, Sanders was asked if he was worried about "another sleeper cell attack" in the U.S. The Vermont senator said he did, but that he worried about "a lot of things," including mass shootings.

"I do. I do. I worry about a lot of things, including the kinds of mass shootings—it's not just a sleeper cell," he said. "We have seen folks born and raised in the United States of America — we just saw a guy a few weeks ago in Colorado Springs kill three people. We've seen that time and time and time again. So we have to be vigilant in making sure that we screen people who are coming into this country. We need good intelligence."

Sanders also said his team was still working on figuring out the specifics of his income tax proposal, which he said would "hit just the very wealthiest people in our nation."

When Sanders went on Heath's show in July, he told the host he would give him a "definitive answer" on income tax in "two or three weeks."


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Democratic Congresswoman: I Got Stats On Muslims From Harvard Press Book

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A spokesperson for the Harvard University Press suggested that the book might be Islam and the Future of Tolerance, co-written by Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz.

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California Democratic Rep. Loretta Sanchez said on Thursday evening that her claims about the percentage of Muslims "who have a desire for a caliphate and to institute that in anyway possible" came from a book "published by the Harvard Press."

"Actually, it's in a book that I read published by the Harvard Press," Sanchez, who is running for Barbara Boxer's Senate seat, said on PBS. "But, you know, think about this: what I'm talking is about Muslims around the world. And, um, I think that that is a high number and if you see the rest of the interview that I have, I think that is a very big number, between 5 and 20% of Muslims who have this idea to build a caliphate, and yes, a few Muslims are willing to use violence."

A Sanchez spokesperson did not respond to e-mails from BuzzFeed News asking what book Rep. Sanchez was referring to. In her original comments, made on "PoliticKING with Larry King," Sanchez said the figures came "from the people that I speak to."

In that interview, Sanchez said, "But certainly, we know that there is a small group, and we don't know how big that is — it can be anywhere between 5 and 20%, from the people that I speak to — that Islam is their religion and who have a desire for a caliphate and to institute that in anyway possible, and in particular go after what they consider Western norms — our way of life."

She went to say, "And again, I don't know how big that is, and depending on who you talk to, but they are certainly — they are willing to go to extremes. They are willing to use and they do use terrorism."

A Harvard University Press spokesperson suggested that the book Sanchez mentioned might be Islam and the Future of Tolerance: A Dialogue, co-written by Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz. She included an excerpt from the book in which the authors speculate about the percentage of Muslims worldwide who are "Islamists," a term defined earlier in the book as "the ideology that seeks to impose any version of Islam over society." Islamism is presented as distinct from "jihadism," which is defined as "the use of force to spread Islamism."

In the passage sent by the Harvard University Press spokesperson, Harris, one of the authors, estimates that the global proportion of Muslims who are Islamists "is probably around 20 percent," also saying that "poll results on the topic of shari'ah generally show much higher levels of support for its implementation."

Nawaz, for his part, argues that, globally, Islamism is "probably less popular in other Muslim-majority societies" than in Egypt where, he writes, it "could gain only 25 percent in the first round of elections."

"This is what my gut tells me; I have no empirical evidence," Nawaz adds.

On Thursday night, Sanchez issued a statement to BuzzFeed News, saying, ""I strongly support the Muslim community in America and believe that the overwhelming majority of Muslims do not support terrorism or ISIS. We must enlist the voices of the Muslim community in our fight against ISIS instead of alienating them through fear-mongering and discrimination."

Muslim Owner Of Donald Trump's Old Yacht Calls Him Disgrace "To All America"

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The Saudi prince who now owns the 281-foot yacht formerly known as “The Trump Princess” tells Trump he’s a total loser who will never become president.

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Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz al Saud, a mogul and member of the Saudi royal family tweeted on Friday that Donald Trump was a disgrace to all of America and should quit the presidential race.

Trump and the Saudi prince have an interesting history. When Trump was deep in debt in the 1990s he was forced to sell his beloved 281-foot yacht, "The Trump Princess," to Alwaleed.

Trump's 1991 book Surviving at the Top had a chapter on the yacht: "Ship of Jewels: The Trump Princess."

Alwaleed renamed the ship "Kingdom 5KR," and today it docks in France.

Alwaleed also bought a controlling stake in the Plaza Hotel, another Trump property in 1995.

"The deal is subject to approval by the consortium of banks, led by Citibank, that has controlled the Plaza since 1993, after Trump was unable to make loan payments," Newsday wrote in 1995 on the sale. The Saudi prince's stake in the hotel has changed over the years.


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Rand Paul: Establishment Will "Destroy" GOP If They Block Outsider Nomination

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“If the establishment tries to block an outsider from winning the nomination, there’ll be war within the party and they’ll destroy the party.”

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Rand Paul said on Friday that, if the Republican establishment tries to block an outsider candidate from winning the party's nomination through a brokered convention, "there'll be war within the party and they'll destroy the party."

Boston radio host Jeff Kuhner asked Paul what he thought of a Washington Post story that reported key figures within the Republican party are preparing for a contested convention in which, the story said, "the GOP's mainstream wing could coalesce around an alternative" to Donald Trump, who continues to lead primary polls.

Paul, who is polling toward the bottom of the Republican presidential field, expressed strong opposition to the plan.

"If the establishment tries to block an outsider from winning the nomination, there'll be war within the party and they'll destroy the party," he said. "The establishment needs to realize that Republicans across the country are unhappy, they're unhappy with the Washington leaders who are not exercising the power of the purse. They're unhappy with Washington leaders not standing up to president Obama. And they're sick and tired of all of it."

"So if they see their will thwarted through the primary process, I think you're gonna find that, uh, there'll be a war declared," Paul continued. "But it'll be a war that the establishment has decided to declare on the grassroots and it's gonna be a real problem."

Sanders Campaign Distances Itself From Its Own Campaign Ads

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Bernie Sanders's pledge not to run a negative campaign is running into the reality of his digital campaign, which produces ads with sharp contrasts between Sanders and Hillary Clinton.

In targeted digital ads, the Sanders campaign has regularly attacked Clinton for her Wall Street ties, claiming that Clinton is (in the case of one digital ad) "Bank Funded" and in another, asserting that Clinton "May Have Wall Street, But Bernie Sanders Has You."

The Politico ad as it appeared inside stories on the site.

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Both digital spots include lists of Clinton's top financial-sector donors.

On Saturday, campaign spokesman Michael Briggs told the Washington Post that the "Bank Funded" spot — which was spotted by several regular readers of Politico and shared widely with reporters — was a mistake and that the ad had been taken down. Briggs said the ad ran because of "a miscommunication in our communications shop.”

"We haven’t been doing ads that mention Hillary Clinton,” Briggs told the paper.

But over the past few weeks, the Sanders campaign has run ads or ad-like posts with Clinton's name with a similar message to the Politico ad.

On Dec. 1, the Sanders campaign sent out fundraising email that cast Clinton as in the pocket of the financial industry. It linked to an online donation page reading, "Hillary Clinton may have Wall Street, but Bernie has YOU."

Three days later, an animated version of the email, which opens with, "When it comes to Wall Street buying our democracy, you just need to follow the money," was posted to the campaign's Facebook page. (A Facebook representative confirmed posting was not a "sponsored" or paid ad, which the Politico spot was.)

Asked about the Facebook spot, Briggs told BuzzFeed News the messaging will continue.

"We have said all along that contrasting records on issues was what the democratic process is all about," he said in an email. "We've done that and will continue to do that."

"We put out information that expressly mentions Secretary Clinton comparing her record and Bernie's. He does it in debates and interviews," he went on. "The rest of us in the campaign do it in press releases, fact sheets, links in Facebook and Twitter posts."


The animated gif running on the Sanders Facebook page

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And before Thanksgiving, the Sanders campaign ran a long paid advertisement targeted at readers of online news site Talking Points Memo. The ad mentioned Clinton by name several times. Briggs said when he was referring to not using Clinton's names in ads, he was referring to negative spots.

"What I said was we don't use her name in negative ads," he said. "It's just not negative to put up something comparing the two on their college plans."

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The paid ad was billed as "A Letter To TPM Readers From Sen. Bernie Sanders" that laid out "The differences between Sec. Clinton's college financing plan and my own."

(The main difference: Sanders wants to make all public college tuition-free, Clinton favors a "debt-free" approach that leaves students with a tuition bill but expands ways for them to earn their way school without taking loans.)

The TPM ad is several pages long, with Sanders laying out in bullet points why his plan is superior to Clinton's. Among them "The Clinton plan doesn't ask enough of the rich, it puts the burden on the middle class instead" and "The Clinton plan is unnecessarily complicated."

"The differences between the college financing plans I offered and Secretary Clinton offered are important — both of their impact on the middle class, and what they tell us about our governing philosophies," the letter reads.

The letter implies Clinton isn't willing to ask the wealthy to shoulder the burden of really fixing things (emphasis added):

Secretary Clinton defends her plan by saying that "I am not going to give free college tuition to wealthy kids." And yet Social Security, Medicare, public elementary and high schools, the federal highway system, and a host of other programs are are also available to all who qualify. Just as with these programs, the progressive way to finance education is by asking the wealthy to pay their fare share. If you don't think they're paying enough for what they're getting — which is what Clinton's remark implies — you don't create a system of fees, which would be trivial in truly wealthy households but burdensome for the middle class. You ask the rich to contribute in an equitable way.

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A "Quran Roast" Outside The White House Ended Up Being Even Dumber Than You'd Imagine

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WASHINGTON -- On any given day there's at least one group of obnoxious protesters demonstrating outside the White House, and on Saturday the protest du jour was supposed to be a Koran burning.

A Facebook event called "The Quran Roast of D.C." had appeared earlier in the week. "This is the day america must stand up against islam and the islamic immigration which is illegally being implemented on our nation," the event's description said.

The organizers had invited more than 2,000 people to the event, and given Republican frontrunner Donald Trump's gross rhetoric against Muslims, and the crowds he's been drawing, it seemed possible that a good number of them might actually show up.

But the 70-plus confirmed attendees turned out to be more like six men, most of them dressed like bikers, and one middle-aged woman.

"[Obama] won't let his birth certificate be viewed by the public, so what does that tell you?" a man with a large beard and a Raiders hat yelled at the much larger crowd of counter-protesters that had gathered.

There were plenty of old conspiracy theories to bandy about, but there were no Korans in sight, much less fires with which to roast them. Turns out it's against the law to burn anything, including holy texts, on federal property.

"We can do pretty much anything else to the Caraun [sic] except burnet [sic]” a doleful post on the event’s Facebook page read.

"It's a roast, like a celebrity roast," one of the demonstrators, Mitch Calderon, tried to explain.

"I mean, you've got to get people's attention somehow," Ed Spiker, one of the event organizers, told BuzzFeed News.

One sign simply wasn't enough to contain this man's erudite political opinions.

One sign simply wasn't enough to contain this man's erudite political opinions.

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This anti-Islam protester enjoys Mountain Dew and nativism.

This anti-Islam protester enjoys Mountain Dew and nativism.

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At one point, these people dressed as bananas walked by and were like, "Who are those weirdos?"

At one point, these people dressed as bananas walked by and were like, "Who are those weirdos?"

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"Everyone over there disagrees about a lot of things," one man dressed as a banana said, "but we can all agree that bananas are tasty."


What The Hell Happened To Mickey Kaus?

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Mickey Kaus was sitting at Superba Food + Bread in Venice Beach, California, an expensive coffee place where an expensive-looking person was yelling at the counter staff about a housefly on a cookie.

Kaus was sorry about the location, and that he’d had to walk east from the small apartment where he parks his battered white Nissan Z, to find a suitable location for us to talk. But it was unavoidable. Snapchat's headquarters now occupy the beach, turned it from the province of older, wealthy, quietly intense entertainment types to young, wealthy, quietly intense tech kids.

“They’ve pushed all the old-time Venice people out,” he explained.

I wrote a blog every day, more or less, from 2004 to 2011. Mickey Kaus was an old-timer when I started, and he was still going when I stopped. A pioneer of the platform, he is one of the handful who can lay claim to inventing the political blog — though he would never claim it, and indeed goes to great lengths to argue that he didn’t.

Kaus helped introduce elements of blogging style that still endure in online writing: the breathless, stream-of-consciousness style; the informal, self-referential voice; the disdain for the mainstream media. I used to imitate the mock editor's notes he regularly dropped into the text. [ed.: He says he merely stole this from the British biweekly Private Eye.] And I used to send him my items in the hopes that he’d link me, if I provided evidence, say, that John Edwards was a slimeball; or raise a linked eyebrow at me, in ways that are now incomprehensible out of context. For instance: “Update: I'm now having mild, but gnawing, doubts as to the epistemological status of that Obama quote. Politico reports it (twice). It seems to come from the real time Twitter feed of a rabbi who was in on the phone call.”

A total outsider, seen by even his close friends as a bit unhinged, Kaus is the unlikely embodiment of this bizarre political moment.

Kaus mostly stopped blogging this year when he broke with the Daily Caller after criticizing Fox News — from the right. And while his old friends from top New York and Washington publications are now Top Thinkers and People Who Run Things, he is sitting in a coffee shop in Venice, talking about how he's going to light up the congressional switchboard with calls about immigration. He now lives off his savings, and writes solely on Twitter, where he has emerged as an unlikely man of this political moment: a Democratic intellectual who thinks that Donald Trump is the “most credible” candidate for the presidency. This is based on what Kaus sees as the central issue of our time: immigration ("I am not as worried about immigration and terrorism ... as immigration and wages") — an issue that polling suggests is the original core of Trump's angry appeal.

"The hope, maybe even Trump's hope, is that by going 'too far' Trump may push us to go 'far enough'" in limiting immigration, said Kaus in a recent email. A total outsider, seen by even his close friends as a bit unhinged, Kaus offers a glimpse at how we got to the ugly place in which we find ourselves at the end of 2015.

That’s why I emailed him this fall, at the urging of an old friend. “Mickey Kaus. What’s the deal?” the friend emailed out of the blue, after seeing some of those early-morning tweets. “It’s amazing. He's gone from quirky TNRish contrarian dem to nativist activist, tweeting out US Capitol switchboard and imploring people to call in to Stop Ryan and Stop Amnesty.”

Indeed, Kaus had been up early all week, rallying the troops. On a Tuesday morning in late October, well before 6 a.m. Pacific Time, he was pleading with his followers, attacking Democratic sacred cows, organized labor, in particular: “Every vote against Ryan weakens him on amnesty ... Let your Rep know what you think of eager amnesty-pusher Ryan,” he said, urging them on in a last-ditch, hopeless effort to derail the incoming speaker of the House. Through the ‘80s and ‘90s, he just fought with his editors, and developed a reputation as a Democrat who would take on his own party.

Kaus’s bad attitude would make him a natural for the blogosphere. For a moment in the 1990s, it made him a natural for The New Republic, which then styled itself the inflight magazine of New Democrat Bill Clinton’s Air Force One. Kaus was, in particular, a vigorous advocate of requiring that welfare recipients work, which is at the heart of his one book, a quixotic 1992 polemic called The End of Equality. The book suggests Democrats stop worrying about income inequality and instead focus on creating a society in which wealth matters less — through national service, national health care, and a national jobs program that would absorb traditional welfare.

Today, he says, he faces questions every day from friends, old readers, strangers on Twitter about what the hell happened to Mickey Kaus. “I wish, like a lot of his friends, that he would just move on and do something else,” said Slate Group Editor-in-Chief Jacob Weisberg, who hired him in 2002.

Kaus delights in the pity and disgust he detects from his old friends’ view that he has joined a band of kooks and racists. It’s the surest sign that his work matters. “I don't know who's reading me, but every now and then I get somebody who has influence calling me a jerk, and it's like, ‘Yes!’” he remarked over coffee and doughnuts. “Maybe I'll collect all those tweets and hang them on the wall.”

Second to those attacks, in giving Kaus joy, are complaints from Republicans that he, a Democrat, is spending too much time on their internal politics.

“That’s great, because nobody's really called me a Democrat in years,” he said. “I'm a concern troll with concerns for all the parties.”

Mickey Kaus at Superba Food + Bread in Venice, California, on Nov. 14.

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Mickey Kaus has always been like this. The son of a prominent Los Angeles lawyer — his late father, Otto, went on to serve on the California Supreme Court — he attended Harvard and Harvard Law, clerked for that court, and did a stint on Fritz Hollings’ 1984 presidential campaign. Then he followed the path of his generation’s top political writers into the roiling Washington magazine scene. His first job was at Washington Monthly, the neoliberal cradle for a brilliant, if homogenous, generation of young men in media: Michael Kinsley, Jim Fallows, Joe Nocera, David Ignatius. Its founder, Charlie Peters, has been quoted saying Kaus was the most brilliant of them all. Peters told me he wasn’t sure about that, but Kaus was “the one who was most fun to argue with.” Peters once broke a phone hanging up on him.

Kaus emerged from the Washington Monthly as a kind of extreme of the contrarian, self-critical Democratic ideology it embodied. Most of his enthusiasm, indeed, was for that particular element of the publication. He recalls stalking the halls of Congress, trying to persuade staffers to move commas around in the 1996 welfare bill.

Kaus’s first real blog item, published June 28, 1999, was an attack on “those sophisticates at Salon” (“Smug, horny, unedited panderers!”), now of course a well-worn genre. Kaus spent most of the 2000s blogging for Slate, a job he’d taken after sending Weisberg a list of “absurd demands” insisting on his total independence, which the editor promptly agreed to.

Kaus stayed in Venice, in his cluttered apartment — the classic lone blogger. He was, by the Bush years, iconic. The Observer, of London, visited him in September 2003:

An inveterate controversialist, Kaus lives the quasi-troglodyte existence of the net-head amid a surging sea of newspaper clippings and fast-food debris. Kaus's web-log is sponsored by Microsoft's online magazine Slate and provides an idiosyncratic running commentary on the vicissitudes of the election, a wild guide to the wilder shores of an already wild election. Less scurrilous than the Drudge report, with which Kaus collaborates informally, and forever hovering on the brink of libel, the Kausfile has become the indispensable source for the sharpest and most damaging tales from the campaign trail.

There Kaus was among the first to realize that the internet had rendered journalists’ attempt to filter damaging rumors from the public mostly pointless. He helped drive stories about Arnold Schwarzenegger's sexual past in 2003; in 2007, he kept what was for a long time a lonely drumbeat on the sex scandal that ended John Edwards’ career.

Kaus also helped found the debate platform Bloggingheads with his old friend Robert Wright. (A Kaussian digression: I once debated Glenn Greenwald on Bloggingheads, on the proposition that my employer, Politico, was a right-wing proxy. The figure at the center of Greenwald’s theory was Joe Albritton, who he said owned Politico. I countered that the man was dead, and that his son Robert — without the CIA ties — ran the company. That turned out to be wrong — Joe was then alive, and in fact my boss's boss; Greenwald very kindly allowed me to delete that portion of the audio, and save my job, and I’m reminded that he shares with Kaus [though being different in every other way] the quality of being a huge asshole on the internet but astonishingly gracious in person.)

Kaus never cared much about prose style. (“My goal is not to write good journalism or to entertain people, my goal is to stop comprehensive immigration reform,” he said.) He started blogging in 1999, and you could call him the first political blogger if you wanted to argue about it — with, among others, Kaus.

“He sort of invented this style [and] wrote the first blog anybody read,” said Weisberg, warning that Kaus would deny it (he did, noting both an earlier generation of tech bloggers and “proto-blogs” like Peters’ and Jonah Goldberg’s). “He's so perverse that he'll apply his perversity to creating novel arguments for why he's not as successful as he appears to be.”

In the ensuing 15 years, most of his peers dropped out or went bigger. “Andrew [Sullivan] collapsed, Josh [Marshall, of Talking Points Memo], exploded his thing into a much bigger thing,” Kaus says. “All these guys were much more successful than me.”

“I'm the only sucker still doing it.”

Another, somewhat later group of bloggers — those of us who were less in love with the medium, and perhaps more opportunistic, people like me and Ezra Klein and Nate Silver — either made their way into the hated mainstream media or tried to create a new mainstream at places like BuzzFeed and Vox and FiveThirtyEight.

Many of us also fled a blogosphere that we felt had both curdled and professionalized. The toxins bled in from the comments section. The amateur trolling turned professional. The campaigns blasted out our blog items, and then our tweets. It stopped being fun. But Kaus — always a little toxic, always with a strong stomach for trolling — never felt that way. He’s still alone, at home, pissing people off on the internet. He just wants to move the needle.

“I'm the only sucker still doing it,” Kaus said.

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Kaus had not spent much time thinking about immigration; it’s barely mentioned in his book. But as the 2000s wore on, the subject slid right into his wheelhouse. As a matter of domestic policy, Bush’s second-term push to naturalize millions of undocumented immigrants was simply, in his view, the biggest thing out there. Kaus says he’d always believed that elites were too quick to ignore unskilled American workers whose wages depend on a tight labor market. Immigration reform, in its various forms, was the product of an unusual truce between Chamber of Commerce Republicans and Democrats sympathetic to undocumented immigrants — an issue all right-thinking people could agree on, and thus a perfect one for Kaus to attack.

And so he emerged as a leading foe of Bush’s attempt to overhaul immigration, which he referred to in 2007 as “Bush’s domestic Iraq.” He took what was once a common labor-Democratic position: That new workers would drive wages down. That position has, though, almost vanished from the political landscape— in part as openly xenophobic voices drowned out legitimate ones and angry outbursts at Mexicans became harder and harder to explain in policy terms.

“I saw a vacuum. I would’ve have had to take whoever was on my side, they could've been horrible racists.”

“I saw a vacuum,” Kaus recalled. “I would’ve have had to take whoever was on my side; they could've been horrible racists.” He associated himself with Roy Beck, who runs Numbers USA, and Mark Krikorian, of the Center for Immigration Studies and “a very civilized, wonderful man. None of them are racist. So they were convenient to work with.” (Both groups have roots tied to the activist John Tanton, whose racist views have become an embarrassment to each; their current advocacy is, however, mostly on economic issues.) And their movement, whose ties are largely to conservative Republicans in the House, was glad to have a well-known Democratic intellectual on their side.

“There’s nobody on the left articulating their interests as Democrats — we need a lot more people like that, but for now Mickey’s one of the few,” Kirkorian said.

Kaus tells a complicated story, set in 2009 in the office of his dermatologist, about when he came to believe that there was a real opening in Democratic Party politics for an anti-immigration campaign. “I've been a good liberal all my life, but I don't agree with the party on immigration,” the dermatologist told him.

"He lit the spark," Kaus told Los Angeles Weekly the next year.

And so, in 2010, Kaus announced a Senate campaign against Barbara Boxer. It was, in retrospect, doomed “performance art,” he later said; he was trying to see what would happened if he ran a campaign solely on the web. He also decided not to write about the campaign for Slate, and quit. It was “the classically Mickey mistake,” Wright later told him in a quite intense Bloggingheads episode. “You wanted you to blog the campaign.”

Kaus also went back to his dermatologist, who told him, ”I never said that, and I'm a Republican.”

Slate offered to hire him back, but “they adjusted [his salary] downward to what the market rate was for blogging.” Kaus went looking for “people who didn’t have such a realistic view of the value of bloggers,” doing a stint at Newsweek and then the Daily Caller. He finally quit there earlier this year, after the editor spiked a column in which he’d criticized Fox News for focusing on ISIS instead of immigration. It was a fairly direct demonstration of how dangerous the issue is for a pundit trying to make a living: Fox proprietor Rupert Murdoch is an advocate of immigration reform, and so the right’s most strident megaphone has always been oddly muted on the issue.

And there is Kaus, 16 years later, still in Venice, earning basically nothing, and both totally isolated and deeply in tune with an angry national moment.

Anti-immigration forces “don't have business, we don't have the media, we don't have the presidency, we don't have the Senate, we don't have leadership in the House — and we're still winning,” he said a few days after having failed to torpedo Paul Ryan’s speakerhood. “So why is that happening?”

Kaus pauses. He’s voted for Barack Obama twice, and the place this is leading may make him slightly uncomfortable.

“The answer is that no one is speaking for the actual voter — except, it turns out, for Donald Trump.”

Here's Who Made The Cut For The Next Republican Debate

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Rand Paul is just hanging in there.

Gov. Chris Chistie, who has seen his polls rise in recent weeks, will be on the main stage this Tuesday, while CNN said Sen. Rand Paul was "saved at the 11th hour" because of his viable showing in a Fox News poll on Sunday morning.

Gov. Chris Chistie, who has seen his polls rise in recent weeks, will be on the main stage this Tuesday, while CNN said Sen. Rand Paul was "saved at the 11th hour" because of his viable showing in a Fox News poll on Sunday morning.

The Republican debate stage last month.

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Podium order was determined by the average of the national polls from November and December.

CNN's debate, which will be held in Las Vegas and is the fifth of the primary season, is the first to use early-state polls as a way to make the main event in prime-time. Candidates must meet one of three criteria in polls conducted between October 29 and December 13 and recognized by CNN: An average of at least 3.5% nationally; at least 4% in Iowa; or at least 4% in New Hampshire.


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Trump Calls Cruz A Maniac, Cruz Responds With The Song From Flashdance

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He’s a maniac, maaaaniac on the flooor. And he’s dancing like he’s never danced before.

On Fox News Sunday, Donald Trump called Ted Cruz, who is gaining on him in certain polls, "a little bit of a maniac."

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Linked in Cruz's tweet is the music video to "Maniac" by Michael Sembello, famously part of the soundtrack to the 1983 film Flashdance.

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The music video features Jennifer Beals, the star of Flashdance, rehearsing an intense dance routine.

The music video features Jennifer Beals, the star of Flashdance, rehearsing an intense dance routine.


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Luis Gutierrez To Endorse Hillary Clinton Ahead Of Her Appearance At Immigration Conference

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Illinois Rep. Luis Gutierrez, a key figure in the fight for Obama's executive actions on immigration last year, will announce his endorsement of Hillary Clinton Monday morning in an op-ed on Univision ahead of their joint appearance at a national immigration conference in Brooklyn, New York, in the afternoon.

In a statement to BuzzFeed News, Luis Gutierrez emphasized uniting the Democratic coalition. Women, Latino, labor, LGBT, Asians, African-Americans, environmental, working-class, and middle-class voters — "all of the groups the Republicans push away — none of us can win unless we work together," he said. "We each need each other and Hillary Clinton is the leader who will unite us. Together we are a winning coalition that moves America forward."

A Clinton aide attributed the congressman's support to the campaign's focus on immigration since, in the spring, when Clinton rolled out a more progressive stance on the issue, and the outreach since. The aide pointed to events Clinton has done aimed at the Puerto Rican community in Orlando and on the island.

"That is why Congressman Luis Gutiérrez will endorse Hillary Clinton, Democratic Party candidate for U.S. president, tomorrow before her address at the National Immigrant Integration Conference (NIIC)," the aide said. "Gutiérrez is nationally recognized for his tireless leadership championing issues of particular importance to Latino and immigrant communities."

Gutierrez, who is known as a top voice on immigration policy with a knack for media, knocked Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in June for leaving immigration out of his speeches.

"I don't know if he likes immigrants, because he doesn't seem to talk about immigrants," Gutierrez said at the time.

Since then, the Sanders campaign has made a concerted effort to hire a handful of high-profile immigration activists to work with a focus on the southwest states and Nevada. The campaign has also rolled out a robust set of executive actions Sanders would take on immigration as president.

After her event with DREAMers in May, Gutierrez noted that Clinton used to be "paralyzed" on immigration, specifically mentioning Clinton's infamous opposition to driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants (a policy she now favors) during the 2008 campaign.

The tenor of the campaign has changed, however, since earlier this year when Gutierrez was praising Clinton and Jeb Bush as leaders on immigration, in a way that signified the success of progressives on immigration. In the interim months, Donald Trump roiled the Republican race with a markedly xenophobic and restrictionist tone aimed initially at Mexicans and immigrants. Bush has floundered.

In this environment, Clinton has tried to position herself as a champion for Hispanics, blasting Trump (and trying to handcuff him to the other Republicans) while courting endorsements from high-profile Latino figures like Obama cabinet members Julian Castro and Tom Perez as well as celebrities like Christina Aguilera and Ricky Martin.

Clinton, who is at times viewed with distrust from activists because of past stances and an establishment brand that has led to Obama similarly being knocked, will be introduced by Gutierrez at the NIIC conference.

She will come with a story the activists will likely cheer, though. Her Latino outreach director Lorella Praeli, a former immigration activist for United We Dream who served as an influential voice during the executive action fight, will become an American citizen at a small naturalization ceremony put together by the White House at the national archives along with others on Tuesday, something Clinton will mention during her speech Monday.

GOP Congressman: Fellow Lawmakers Have Told Me They Won’t Back Trump As The Nominee

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“I have had dozens of Republicans and also fellow colleagues here in Congress say to me they will not support Trump no matter what.”

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Republican Rep. Reid Ribble, who said on Thursday that he would not support Republican front-runner Donald Trump as the party's nominee, added on Friday that "dozens" of his fellow Republicans, including members of congress, agree.

Speaking on the Charlie Sykes Show, the Wisconsin congressman said, "I have had dozens of Republicans and also fellow colleagues here in Congress say to me they will not support Trump no matter what."

Ribble made it clear, however, that he would not vote for Hillary Clinton either.

"I'm not gonna make a statement between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump," he said. "My position on Hillary Clinton is I wouldn't vote for her for president either."

Ribble has floated the idea of voting for a libertarian candidate if Trump was the Republican nominee.

Trump's Campaign Manager Responds To Lindsey Graham By Mocking His Low Support

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“The good news is Lindsey Graham is going to lose.”

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Sen. Lindsey Graham told Boston Herald Radio last week that he'd rather his party lose without Trump than win with him. On Friday, Trump's campaign manager fired back by mocking Graham's low poll numbers.

"The good news is Lindsey Graham is going to lose," Corey Lewandowski said on the John Fredericks Show.

"So it's easy to say that when you're at one percent in the polls, or I think actually in the last CBS poll he was at zero percent. So the likelihood of him actually winning is so slim that you have a better chance of being elected president and I don't think either one of us are actually running."

Graham's rhetoric towards Trump has escalated as the businessman's own rhetoric has become increasingly divisive and as he continues to lead in most national polls. In the same interview with Boston Herald Radio last week, Graham said Trump was only leading because "about 40% of the Republican primary voter...believes that Obama was born in Kenya and is a Muslim."

Supreme Court Stops Alabama Order Voiding Same-Sex Adoption Temporarily

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WASHINGTON — The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday granted a lesbian woman's request to have the adoption of her former partner's children be enforced while the court decides whether to hear her appeal of an Alabama Supreme Court ruling that the adoption was void.

The U.S. Supreme Court has not yet said whether it will hear the appeal of the Alabama Supreme Court ruling, but on Monday granted the woman's request that the state court's ruling be recalled and stayed until it decides whether it will do so.

That request, filed in mid-November, features a complex case in which a lesbian couple in Alabama went to Georgia in 2007 so that one of those women, referred to as V.L. in court filings, could adopt the children of E.L.

Years later, when E.L. and V.L's relationship ended, V.L. sued in Alabama to have the adoption decree enforced for visitation and other parental purposes. Although a lower court sided with V.L., the Alabama Supreme Court ruled otherwise in September of this year, holding that the Georgia adoption was "void" because, the Alabama court maintained, it should not have been allowed under Georgia law.

V.L. asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review the decision and to put it on hold, in order to allow her visitation, while the high court decides what to do. Notably, the guardian ad litem — the representative of the children's interests in the litigation — also weighed in at the U.S. Supreme Court, siding with V.L. and also asking for a stay.

The U.S. Supreme Court action on Monday recalls the Alabama Supreme Court's judgment and puts it on hold until the Supreme Court decides whether to grant V.L.'s petition for certiorari. If the petition is denied, the stay will "terminate automatically." If cert is granted, the stay will remain in place until the final mandate from the U.S. Supreme Court is issued. No justices noted their disagreement with the order.

Lawyers for E.L. are to file a response to V.L.'s cert petition by Dec. 29, meaning that the justices could consider the petition in time to be heard this term, which would mean a decision by late June should they decide to hear the case.


Ben Carson: Campaign Has Been "Uphill Struggle" Since Terrorist Attacks

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“It’s an uphill struggle. It has been particularly since the terrorist attacks and the terrorist attack here. Because you know there’s a narrative you know, I’m not a foreign policy expert.”

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Ben Carson said on Friday that the media narrative that he lacks foreign policy expertise has made his campaign an "uphill struggle" since the terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, California.

"It's an uphill struggle," the Republican presidential candidate said when asked on the Steve Deace Show about his campaign's ground game. "It has been particularly since the terrorist attacks in Paris and here. Because, you know, there's a narrative you know, I'm not a foreign policy expert."

Carson added that, despite this narrative, nobody could "poke any holes" in his foreign policy solutions and said that experts have told him his ideas are "incredibly good, strong policies."

"And yet, when you look at my solutions, both domestically and foreign, no one can poke any holes in them," he said. "And, you know, I've talked to a number of experts and they say, 'Those are incredibly good, strong policies.' But you know, we've gotten to this sort of soundbite society, to where people listen more to, you know, the soundbites and the media than they do to what you're actually saying, so we have to find a way around that and we're in the process of doing that."

Criticism of Carson's statements on foreign policy has been fueled by his claim that the Chinese are in Syria, as well as a comment, reported last month by the New York Times, from one of his advisers that his team has had trouble conveying "intelligent information" on foreign affairs to him.

In another interview on Friday, with Iowa radio host Simon Conway, Carson said he hoped that there would be a lot of foreign policy questions in Tuesday's debate.

"I hope they will ask a lot of questions about foreign policy because that's the area that they've slammed me on and yet nobody seems to want to listen to what I say," he said. "And if you listen to what I say, there's really nobody who can poke any holes in it. And I want to make that very clear to the rest of the nation."

New York Legislator Seeks To Rename "Donald J. Trump State Park"

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State park, you’re fired.

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A New York state senator said Monday that he will introduce legislation to strip Donald J. Trump State Park of its name, saying that Trump's recent rhetoric doesn't line up with the values of New York state.

Daniel Squadron, who represents the 26th district, which includes lower Manhattan and parts of Brooklyn, made the announcement Monday in a comment to BuzzFeed News.

"Bigotry has no place in presidential politics and certainly shouldn't be honored with a state park naming," Squadrom said.

The state senator also wrote to Gov. Andrew Cuomo, asking him to begin the process of renaming the park.

Trump's "discriminatory proposals are unbefitting of a campaign for our counry's highest office," he wrote. "Mr. Trump has shown that he is unworthy of having a New York State Park named in his honor."

The park, an undeveloped stretch of 436 acres of land in Putnam and Westchester Counties, was donated by Trump to New York state in 2006 after plans to build a golf course fell through because of "strict environmental restrictions and permitting requirements," according to a New York Times report. Trump ultimately got a tax credit for the donation.

After the park was closed in 2010 due to budget cuts, Trump asked for the land returned and suggested he would pursue litigation to see it through.

Squardon said renaming the park would be an important step in showing the values represented by New York State.

"This is an important moment for the state to send a message that everything
Donald Trump is representing right now is counter to the values of the state satiate, and we have an easy way to do that," he said.

He declined to suggest a replacement name.

A spokeswoman for Cuomo didn't respond to an inquiry about the park.

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Donald Trump's Doctor Says He Would Be The Healthiest President Ever

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The Republican presidential candidate’s blood pressure was also listed as “astonishingly excellent.”

Donald Trump will be the healthiest president ever, his longtime physician, Harold Bornstein, claimed in a report shared by the Republican candidate on Monday.

Donald Trump will be the healthiest president ever, his longtime physician, Harold Bornstein, claimed in a report shared by the Republican candidate on Monday.

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In a statement, Trump said he has been "blessed with great genes" and that people were "impressed" by his stamina.

In a statement, Trump said he has been "blessed with great genes" and that people were "impressed" by his stamina.

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Trump said his health report was written by the "highly respected Dr. Jacob Bornstein of Lenox Hill Hospital." However, the report was written by Jacob Bornstein's son, Dr. Harold Bornstein.


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Hispanic Republicans Blast Ted Cruz After Private Meeting With Campaign Chairman

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LAS VEGAS — One day before the Republican field descends on Las Vegas for the last GOP debate of the year, a group of Hispanic conservatives met privately with campaign officials for five different candidates, and held a press conference afterwards targeting Ted Cruz for his immigration stance and support of Donald Trump.

The group, which held a similar event in Colorado before the previous debate, where they blasted Trump and issued a warning to Cruz, met with campaign chairman Chad Sweet earlier in the day, peppering him with questions.

They said Sweet surprised them all by saying that Cruz opposes any and all forms of legalization for undocumented immigrants, and that he believes in attrition through enforcement — or making the lives of those in the country illegally so hard that they go back to their native countries. That, the group said, amounts to self-deportation, a policy supported by Mitt Romney in 2012 widely credited with hurting him with Hispanic voters.

"We learned today that Sen. Cruz believes in attrition through enforcement," Alfonso Aguilar of the American Principles Project's Latino Partnership and de facto leader of the group said, adding that the Cruz camp doesn't like to call it self-deportation "but that's what it is."

Asked to elaborate on Sweet's comments to the Hispanic Republicans, the campaign said Cruz's staff reiterates the same principles that Cruz promotes in both public and private.

"Anyone who truly cares about fixing illegal immigration understands that we must secure the border and enforce the law, and that includes building a wall that works, strengthening e-verify, and enforcing the law — including deportation of those who are here illegally. This is how we solve the problem," said spokesperson Catherine Frazier.

The group said they were troubled to learn how Cruz feels about legalization of any form, according to Sweet.

Rev. Tony Suarez, of the The National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference (NHCLC), spoke by phone with his group's leader Samuel Rodriguez before the event who told him he could speak freely about the group's disappointment.

Like Aguilar he noted that conservatives have a lot to be proud of from the current crop of candidates — like their diversity — and he lauded Cruz for being a friend to evangelicals and on the side of religious liberty, Israel, and life. But he called for clarity from the Cruz campaign on what it means by "no legalization."

"To us it's an issue of life, from the womb to the tomb," he said.

Mario Lopez of the Hispanic Leadership Fund spoke next, calling self-deportation a proven political loser ("You can ask President Mitt Romney") and the group issued a dire warning to Cruz about his closeness to Trump both publicly and in private.

In the meeting with Sweet, one attendee told him the Cruz immigration plan uses information from the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), a population control group they say is discredited.

The Cruz plan cites a 2009 CIS study linking immigration to unemployment, which the group feels is another connection to Trump's misinformation on immigration.

While the group is waiting for follow-ups from the Cruz campaign, they have now issued a warning and criticism of the steadily rising conservative firebrand.

Asked where they can go from here if the campaign does not heed their feedback, the group reiterated a plan mentioned to BuzzFeed News last month, that Cruz in the general election may not benefit from them doing the "hard work" of acting as his surrogates on Spanish-language networks like Univision and Telemundo.

Of the Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, and Rand Paul campaigns, which also met with the group, Rosario Marin, former U.S. treasurer under George W. Bush, said, "Good people came to us, we have good choices," whom she would be happy to be a surrogate for. "But I'm troubled by the Cruz campaign's comments," she said. "This development has given us a certain pause to find out what he's saying."

The group also said they wanted to forcefully condemn Hillary Clinton and Democrats for saying all Republican candidates agree with Trump.

“It's the worst kind of political pandering, it's insulting to the Latino community and it won’t work," Aguilar said, framing Clinton's embrace of going further than Obama on executive actions as a rejection of forging consensus with House Republicans.

"My interpretation is that their strategy does not include a reasonable conservative strategy on immigration," said Artemio Muniz with the Federation of Hispanic Republicans, noting that Sweet waved away the group's concerns by saying they have PhDs doing the research and analytics for the campaign.

Which led Muniz to go further.

"I don't think Hispanic outreach for the general is in their strategy at all," he said.

Frank Gaffney Strikes Back

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LAS VEGAS — The conservative movement tried to banish Frank Gaffney. But he keeps coming back.

On Monday, four Republican presidential candidates appeared either via video or in person at an event for Gaffney’s group, the Center for Security Policy, ahead of Tuesday’s Republican primary debate here in Las Vegas. The event came on the heels of Donald Trump’s now-infamous proposal to temporarily ban Muslim immigration, an idea that has propelled conservative attitudes toward Islam into the political debate. Trump’s proposal cited a poll by the Gaffney’s group, sparking a renewed interest in the man himself.

Gaffney, who served in the Reagan administration, has argued for years that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated high levels of the U.S. government, has implied that President Obama is a secret Muslim, and has repeatedly suggested that Grover Norquist is a Muslim Brotherhood agent. That had produced an outcome that felt final: CPAC organizers banned him from their event, and the mainstream has come to regard Gaffney as a conspiracy theorist, relegating him to the fringes of the right.

But with Trump still leading during a time of increased anxiety among conservatives about Islamist terror attacks, Gaffney has proved newly relevant.

All day on Monday, Gaffney introduced a series of speakers to a crowd of up to 200 people in a dreary conference room at the International Peace Education Center, an events center near the Las Vegas airport that is owned by the Unification Church. The event had a low-rent vibe and there were a series of technical difficulties, including one comical sequence when Gaffney had to cut off a speaker who was skyping in to talk about electromagnetic pulses. But although some of the speakers were obscure figures known only to those who follow this corner of the conservative world closely, others were anything but. Ted Cruz gave a 15-minute pre-recorded video appearance in which he repeatedly praised Gaffney; “Frank is a patriot, he loves this country, and he’s clear eyed about radical Islamic terrorism,” Cruz said at one point. Cruz has regularly appeared at Gaffney events over the years, including at a forum Gaffney hosted adjacent to the CPAC site in 2014. Carly Fiorina and Ben Carson also appeared in video messages. And Rick Santorum appeared in person.

After his speech, Santorum was asked during a press availability about the Center for Security Policy’s claims about Muslim Brotherhood infiltration of the U.S. government. He didn’t exactly endorse the idea, but also didn’t reject it out of hand.

“Certainly the Council on American Islamic Relations has a lot of supporters in this administration and had some in the last administration, and their relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood is pretty well documented,” Santorum said. “As you know this president saw the Muslim Brotherhood as a legitimate partner in Egypt, when I did not particularly, since I knew that once they came to office they would do what they started to do which is transform it from a democracy to an Islamic caliphate. The president, again, oblivious, ignorant, delusional, whatever you want to say, he continues to support that government as the legitimate government of Egypt, yet they are clearly part of the global jihadi movement.”

Trump, for his part, was absent. Tommy Waller, a veteran of the Marine Corps and the Center for Security Policy’s director of state legislative outreach, didn’t directly comment on what kind of contact the Center for Security Policy has had with the Trump campaign.

“We advise at all levels” including elected lawmakers and candidates, Waller said, saying that “quite a few of them have asked for analysis for information, and we provide it to anybody who asks.”

Trump “hasn’t reached out to us necessarily, but he’s participated in previous summits,” Waller said.

“We really care more about what we study and analyze than what people think about us,” Waller said when asked about the Center’s return to the national conversation in the past week.

Gaffney himself declined to speak with BuzzFeed News, saying at first that he had to eat lunch first and later that he didn’t have time.

Former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton, who also spoke at the conference, said he didn’t think Gaffney had changed, but that people had become more receptive to his message.

“I think Frank has been saying the same thing for a long time,” Bolton told BuzzFeed News. “I think people perhaps are paying attention now more to the national security issue overall, which he’s obviously been part of for a long time.”

Asked about CPAC’s ban on Gaffney, Bolton said, “I think CPAC has changed in many respects, I think there’s new leadership and I think national security’s going to be a bigger priority.”

And attendees said they were learning a lot from Gaffney’s event.

“I retired last year, I want to learn more, keep active,” said Doug Culp, 67, of Las Vegas. Culp said he was concerned about immigration and the refugee crisis: “I am concerned about what’s happening and how it’s happening, about how we’re being pushed in a direction that I don’t think we should be.” Culp said he was still undecided in the presidential election, but was leaning toward Cruz.

“I’m concerned about the security of our country,” said Pat Wilsher, 69, who splits her time between North Carolina and Las Vegas.

Wilsher said she was also leaning Cruz and that she found Trump too “volatile,” but said she agreed with Trump’s Muslim immigration proposal.

“Until we get a grip on what’s going on, and I don’t think he put it very well, but I agree with what he was trying to say, which is that we need to limit immigration until we come up with a vetting system,” Wilsher said.

“I’m not against Muslims, I know Muslims that are very peaceful,” Wilsher said. “But what percentage of them are moderate, I don’t know. If we listen to the news, we think everybody’s radicalized.”

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